30 9 / 2014

baronessvondengler:

lauriolpla:

ctron164:

lauriolpla:

ctron164:

baronessvondengler:

ctron164:

terryonplease:

redorkulous:

WARNING:   Unpopular Opinion.    -redork

ALL OF THIS !!! My only disagreement would be that i think we got 2 episodes Vermont and #220. With #220 I was hoping that would be the changing of the guard as we headed into S3..and then Shonda did what shonda does best and that’s set them right back to where they started. 4 seasons and absolutely NO growth ! I’ve been preaching the same thing…I’m not here for the breadcrumbs. I wanted a story. Not “moments”. I feel nothing for this show anymore..

Tough to hear but….. where is the lie ? when all we’ve been given is frantic stolen moments where Olivia has made Fitz do some illegal shit because he loves her and yet she won’t commit.  Since the latter half of 2a Liv has  increasingly become a dodgy and evasive towards Fitz, who has continued to lay his heart and all of his life’s work at her feet for her love in return. I think they’re magical together when Liv manages to not overthink their relationship but I’m tired of Fitz getting hurt for the sake of earning Olivia.

The problem isn’t Mellie, the country, Cyrus, the presidency, Teddy,Karen, or even Jerry’s horrible death, it’s Olivia. If she can rig an election she can have Mellie’s signature forged on some divorce papers for Fitz. She could have custody of Fitz’s kids granted to him by punking some judge in divorce court, she could wear Cyrus down, have Mellie paid off or forever scandalized in an aggressive optics campaign against her. Olivia is just a scaredy cat that can’t commit. She seems to want Fitz’s love without all of the reciprocity that should come with it and the shit is TIRED ! 

Not one lie on this thread whatsoever. redorkulous hit it on the head: the Olitz storyline should have been done in 213. That was the last time something new actually happened. Everything since then has been a rehash in one way or the other. 214 simply re-established their physical attraction for one another. 220, there was an attempt to move forward, which was quickly walked back by 222. Even in Season 3b when their affair was in full swing, it wasn’t satisfying — all we got were fights in hotel rooms, doors opening and closing in the Oval Office. And now we’re back to square one. I would argue that we’re even worse off than Season 1 because at least then they hadn’t gone through so much more. At this point, there’s just so much water under the bridge, for them to be walking past each other with fingers barely touching in hallways. And the irony is, I finally watched 401, and I think the underlying message is that they are going to somehow get back together. As Cyrus said, and I’m paraphrasing, “we all know how the story ends.” Is it worth even getting back together when you don’t learn anything from all the times you’ve been together in the past?

I think I will always love Olitz but not in it’s current incarnation. I think Olivia and Fitz will always be in love  but for the time being she should give him a heartfelt apology, check in on him from time to time and in time they could be together. Their professional lives have suffered too much just for the sake of being in the same room together. This would would be growth for both of them.

Of course I disagree with the idea that there was a “natural ending” to Olitz in 2.13 or 2.14.  That’s really the only part I disagree with, and it’s because I know that love is never easy, and that heroic stories require the opportunity for redemption.  Olitz’s story was not complete until Olivia and Fitz communicated and each sought, and attained, redemption.  I think the story that naturally ended in 2.13/2.14 was the first stage of their romance, where they wore love goggles.  Then you enter the second stage, where there has been betrayal and anger, the goggles are well and truly removed (Fitz’s of course.  Olivia’s were removed concerning Fitz in S1).  A mature relationship, and a mature hero(ine) require that Olivia get the opportunity to redeem herself.  So in my view, looking at Olivia’s need to grow as a lover and a heroine, 2.13/2.14 marked the end of one stage, but Olitz needed to continue beyond that for good storytelling reasons.  I just think the writers and showrunner did not see it that way and flubbed the story.

Well put, because in “Seven Fifty Two” Olitz seemed to grow up in a sense that they realized that either of them were both perfect. That hospital scene, concussion and possibly being outed be damned. Olivia needed to hear Fitz confront her for her betrayal in Defiance. The terrible thing however, is everything that happened in that hospital room, the oval and Liv’s place in a “Woman Scorned” has subsequently been erased and their relationship in season 3 undid this even after they promised off screen in Vermont to be honest with one another has fallen beyond short. I just think Shonda  has little to no regard for maturation in romantic relationships and assumes highly intelligent people acting their age makes for boring tv. Look at how boring Merder is on Grey’s after she let them be. There’s too many layers here for Shonda to carefully handle, I think it’s easier for her to keep Olitz in hallways, utility closets and hotel rooms than it is for her to write that much needed divorce.

Unfortunately, I think that not only is it easier, but Shonda may be right.  I was talking to my best friend about Scandal yesterday.  I introduced her to the show.  She is a very casual viewer, and she said that for her Olitz’s main draw is that they have sex in utility closets and hotel rooms.  My friend is that housewife that TPTB seems to think is Scandal’s core audience, and she does not want a Presidential Divorce, unfortunately for SR, she also doesn’t want Ofake.  She said there is nothing titillating about Olivia being with an unemployed guy that she doesn’t need to hide in utility closets with. Of course, my friend also likes 50 Shades of Vomit, which I think puts her even more in line with Scandal’s current core audience, so if that audience isn’t here for Presidential Divorce, they also aren’t here for Ofake.  SR needs to find another horse to hitch her wagon to.

Oh, but there can still be Olitz sex in hotel rooms and closets. See, this is the thing about SR and the folks she’s catering to (and that whole, “if Olitz gets together the show finishes” line of thinking): they don’t have any imagination. So Fitz and Mellie finally get that divorce, Fitz still needs to keep his relationship with Olivia relatively on the DL so people don’t start speculating that was the reason for his divorce. He still has to remain single or at least, appear to be dating other women, before they finally come out. Negotiating all that, I think would make for an interesting season complete with the hotel/closet sex for the 50 Shades crowd!

You’re right, but that crowd also doesn’t have any imagination, so they eat up SR’s throwaway story and keep the ratings high, leaving SR with no reason to work.  I mean, why put in hard work when you can earn your money just for showing up.

30 9 / 2014

ctron164:

lauriolpla:

ctron164:

baronessvondengler:

ctron164:

terryonplease:

redorkulous:

WARNING:   Unpopular Opinion.    -redork

ALL OF THIS !!! My only disagreement would be that i think we got 2 episodes Vermont and #220. With #220 I was hoping that would be the changing of the guard as we headed into S3..and then Shonda did what shonda does best and that’s set them right back to where they started. 4 seasons and absolutely NO growth ! I’ve been preaching the same thing…I’m not here for the breadcrumbs. I wanted a story. Not “moments”. I feel nothing for this show anymore..

Tough to hear but….. where is the lie ? when all we’ve been given is frantic stolen moments where Olivia has made Fitz do some illegal shit because he loves her and yet she won’t commit.  Since the latter half of 2a Liv has  increasingly become a dodgy and evasive towards Fitz, who has continued to lay his heart and all of his life’s work at her feet for her love in return. I think they’re magical together when Liv manages to not overthink their relationship but I’m tired of Fitz getting hurt for the sake of earning Olivia.

The problem isn’t Mellie, the country, Cyrus, the presidency, Teddy,Karen, or even Jerry’s horrible death, it’s Olivia. If she can rig an election she can have Mellie’s signature forged on some divorce papers for Fitz. She could have custody of Fitz’s kids granted to him by punking some judge in divorce court, she could wear Cyrus down, have Mellie paid off or forever scandalized in an aggressive optics campaign against her. Olivia is just a scaredy cat that can’t commit. She seems to want Fitz’s love without all of the reciprocity that should come with it and the shit is TIRED ! 

Not one lie on this thread whatsoever. redorkulous hit it on the head: the Olitz storyline should have been done in 213. That was the last time something new actually happened. Everything since then has been a rehash in one way or the other. 214 simply re-established their physical attraction for one another. 220, there was an attempt to move forward, which was quickly walked back by 222. Even in Season 3b when their affair was in full swing, it wasn’t satisfying — all we got were fights in hotel rooms, doors opening and closing in the Oval Office. And now we’re back to square one. I would argue that we’re even worse off than Season 1 because at least then they hadn’t gone through so much more. At this point, there’s just so much water under the bridge, for them to be walking past each other with fingers barely touching in hallways. And the irony is, I finally watched 401, and I think the underlying message is that they are going to somehow get back together. As Cyrus said, and I’m paraphrasing, “we all know how the story ends.” Is it worth even getting back together when you don’t learn anything from all the times you’ve been together in the past?

I think I will always love Olitz but not in it’s current incarnation. I think Olivia and Fitz will always be in love  but for the time being she should give him a heartfelt apology, check in on him from time to time and in time they could be together. Their professional lives have suffered too much just for the sake of being in the same room together. This would would be growth for both of them.

Of course I disagree with the idea that there was a “natural ending” to Olitz in 2.13 or 2.14.  That’s really the only part I disagree with, and it’s because I know that love is never easy, and that heroic stories require the opportunity for redemption.  Olitz’s story was not complete until Olivia and Fitz communicated and each sought, and attained, redemption.  I think the story that naturally ended in 2.13/2.14 was the first stage of their romance, where they wore love goggles.  Then you enter the second stage, where there has been betrayal and anger, the goggles are well and truly removed (Fitz’s of course.  Olivia’s were removed concerning Fitz in S1).  A mature relationship, and a mature hero(ine) require that Olivia get the opportunity to redeem herself.  So in my view, looking at Olivia’s need to grow as a lover and a heroine, 2.13/2.14 marked the end of one stage, but Olitz needed to continue beyond that for good storytelling reasons.  I just think the writers and showrunner did not see it that way and flubbed the story.

Well put, because in “Seven Fifty Two” Olitz seemed to grow up in a sense that they realized that either of them were both perfect. That hospital scene, concussion and possibly being outed be damned. Olivia needed to hear Fitz confront her for her betrayal in Defiance. The terrible thing however, is everything that happened in that hospital room, the oval and Liv’s place in a “Woman Scorned” has subsequently been erased and their relationship in season 3 undid this even after they promised off screen in Vermont to be honest with one another has fallen beyond short. I just think Shonda  has little to no regard for maturation in romantic relationships and assumes highly intelligent people acting their age makes for boring tv. Look at how boring Merder is on Grey’s after she let them be. There’s too many layers here for Shonda to carefully handle, I think it’s easier for her to keep Olitz in hallways, utility closets and hotel rooms than it is for her to write that much needed divorce.

Unfortunately, I think that not only is it easier, but Shonda may be right.  I was talking to my best friend about Scandal yesterday.  I introduced her to the show.  She is a very casual viewer, and she said that for her Olitz’s main draw is that they have sex in utility closets and hotel rooms.  My friend is that housewife that TPTB seems to think is Scandal’s core audience, and she does not want a Presidential Divorce, unfortunately for SR, she also doesn’t want Ofake.  She said there is nothing titillating about Olivia being with an unemployed guy that she doesn’t need to hide in utility closets with. Of course, my friend also likes 50 Shades of Vomit, which I think puts her even more in line with Scandal’s current core audience, so if that audience isn’t here for Presidential Divorce, they also aren’t here for Ofake.  SR needs to find another horse to hitch her wagon to.

30 9 / 2014

baronessvondengler:

lauriolpla:

ctron164:

baronessvondengler:

ctron164:

terryonplease:

redorkulous:

WARNING:   Unpopular Opinion.    -redork

ALL OF THIS !!! My only disagreement would be that i think we got 2 episodes Vermont and #220. With #220 I was hoping that would be the changing of the guard as we headed into S3..and then Shonda did what shonda does best and that’s set them right back to where they started. 4 seasons and absolutely NO growth ! I’ve been preaching the same thing…I’m not here for the breadcrumbs. I wanted a story. Not “moments”. I feel nothing for this show anymore..

Tough to hear but….. where is the lie ? when all we’ve been given is frantic stolen moments where Olivia has made Fitz do some illegal shit because he loves her and yet she won’t commit.  Since the latter half of 2a Liv has  increasingly become a dodgy and evasive towards Fitz, who has continued to lay his heart and all of his life’s work at her feet for her love in return. I think they’re magical together when Liv manages to not overthink their relationship but I’m tired of Fitz getting hurt for the sake of earning Olivia.

The problem isn’t Mellie, the country, Cyrus, the presidency, Teddy,Karen, or even Jerry’s horrible death, it’s Olivia. If she can rig an election she can have Mellie’s signature forged on some divorce papers for Fitz. She could have custody of Fitz’s kids granted to him by punking some judge in divorce court, she could wear Cyrus down, have Mellie paid off or forever scandalized in an aggressive optics campaign against her. Olivia is just a scaredy cat that can’t commit. She seems to want Fitz’s love without all of the reciprocity that should come with it and the shit is TIRED ! 

Not one lie on this thread whatsoever. redorkulous hit it on the head: the Olitz storyline should have been done in 213. That was the last time something new actually happened. Everything since then has been a rehash in one way or the other. 214 simply re-established their physical attraction for one another. 220, there was an attempt to move forward, which was quickly walked back by 222. Even in Season 3b when their affair was in full swing, it wasn’t satisfying — all we got were fights in hotel rooms, doors opening and closing in the Oval Office. And now we’re back to square one. I would argue that we’re even worse off than Season 1 because at least then they hadn’t gone through so much more. At this point, there’s just so much water under the bridge, for them to be walking past each other with fingers barely touching in hallways. And the irony is, I finally watched 401, and I think the underlying message is that they are going to somehow get back together. As Cyrus said, and I’m paraphrasing, “we all know how the story ends.” Is it worth even getting back together when you don’t learn anything from all the times you’ve been together in the past?

I think I will always love Olitz but not in it’s current incarnation. I think Olivia and Fitz will always be in love  but for the time being she should give him a heartfelt apology, check in on him from time to time and in time they could be together. Their professional lives have suffered too much just for the sake of being in the same room together. This would would be growth for both of them.

Of course I disagree with the idea that there was a “natural ending” to Olitz in 2.13 or 2.14.  That’s really the only part I disagree with, and it’s because I know that love is never easy, and that heroic stories require the opportunity for redemption.  Olitz’s story was not complete until Olivia and Fitz communicated and each sought, and attained, redemption.  I think the story that naturally ended in 2.13/2.14 was the first stage of their romance, where they wore love goggles.  Then you enter the second stage, where there has been betrayal and anger, the goggles are well and truly removed (Fitz’s of course.  Olivia’s were removed concerning Fitz in S1).  A mature relationship, and a mature hero(ine) require that Olivia get the opportunity to redeem herself.  So in my view, looking at Olivia’s need to grow as a lover and a heroine, 2.13/2.14 marked the end of one stage, but Olitz needed to continue beyond that for good storytelling reasons.  I just think the writers and showrunner did not see it that way and flubbed the story.

^^^I see your point, lauriolpla. But what I think redorkulous was getting at is that 213/214 would have been a good place for the writers to end Olitz SINCE they seem not to want to go down that route. Going by what SR has said, Olitz seems to be a distraction from the story she wants to tell and is just this burden she has to carry around because pesky shippers won’t let it go. She could have walked away from it in 213/214. Heck, she didn’t even need to restart it again in 201, because they broke up in 107 and there was no stupid pattern of breaking up to make up again at that point. So either they just want to keep stringing people along aimlessly, or they are purposely telling the world’s most unrealistic and most drawn-out love story.

I get your point.  I guess, as someone who did not ship Olitz when I watched 2.13 (I’m a johnny come lately former Fitz-hater who overcame my handicap but never fell for Jake) I see reasons for the relationship to continue beyond shipping, and I think that even without the pesky shippers Shonda had reasons to keep the relationship going.  Much as I hated Fitz at the time that 2.13 aired, I needed resolution of their relationship, and while by the time 2.14 aired I was a Fitz and Olitz fan (after marathoning the show that winter) I don’t think that even had I not begun shipping them I would have thought that the relationship was truly over, because it was obvious that Olivia had unfinished business with Fitz as far as her hero’s journey was concerned.  Fitz represents her biggest mistake and her biggest success, so ending them with a hot and heavy angry sex scene would not have completed his purpose in her story, so, through non-shipper eyes, I think at least 2.19 (I think - the hospital scene where Olivia explained herself) was required before their relationship could be complete, for non-shipping purposes, and that would fit in with Shonda’s hostility for the relationship, and have been a true natural ending.  I just don’t think that 2.13 or 2.14 were the correct endings regardless. 

I see keeping Jake around as more of a desire to give in to shippers on Shonda’s part, or at least to give fan service to the idea that shipping is something that she must provide food for, because his character has no purpose on the show except for shipping.  Jake’s character does not represent any growth in Olivia’s character or even any reversion to her teenage years.  He’s just there as someone for her to be paired with.   

30 9 / 2014

ctron164:

baronessvondengler:

ctron164:

terryonplease:

redorkulous:

WARNING:   Unpopular Opinion.    -redork

ALL OF THIS !!! My only disagreement would be that i think we got 2 episodes Vermont and #220. With #220 I was hoping that would be the changing of the guard as we headed into S3..and then Shonda did what shonda does best and that’s set them right back to where they started. 4 seasons and absolutely NO growth ! I’ve been preaching the same thing…I’m not here for the breadcrumbs. I wanted a story. Not “moments”. I feel nothing for this show anymore..

Tough to hear but….. where is the lie ? when all we’ve been given is frantic stolen moments where Olivia has made Fitz do some illegal shit because he loves her and yet she won’t commit.  Since the latter half of 2a Liv has  increasingly become a dodgy and evasive towards Fitz, who has continued to lay his heart and all of his life’s work at her feet for her love in return. I think they’re magical together when Liv manages to not overthink their relationship but I’m tired of Fitz getting hurt for the sake of earning Olivia.

The problem isn’t Mellie, the country, Cyrus, the presidency, Teddy,Karen, or even Jerry’s horrible death, it’s Olivia. If she can rig an election she can have Mellie’s signature forged on some divorce papers for Fitz. She could have custody of Fitz’s kids granted to him by punking some judge in divorce court, she could wear Cyrus down, have Mellie paid off or forever scandalized in an aggressive optics campaign against her. Olivia is just a scaredy cat that can’t commit. She seems to want Fitz’s love without all of the reciprocity that should come with it and the shit is TIRED ! 

Not one lie on this thread whatsoever. redorkulous hit it on the head: the Olitz storyline should have been done in 213. That was the last time something new actually happened. Everything since then has been a rehash in one way or the other. 214 simply re-established their physical attraction for one another. 220, there was an attempt to move forward, which was quickly walked back by 222. Even in Season 3b when their affair was in full swing, it wasn’t satisfying — all we got were fights in hotel rooms, doors opening and closing in the Oval Office. And now we’re back to square one. I would argue that we’re even worse off than Season 1 because at least then they hadn’t gone through so much more. At this point, there’s just so much water under the bridge, for them to be walking past each other with fingers barely touching in hallways. And the irony is, I finally watched 401, and I think the underlying message is that they are going to somehow get back together. As Cyrus said, and I’m paraphrasing, “we all know how the story ends.” Is it worth even getting back together when you don’t learn anything from all the times you’ve been together in the past?

I think I will always love Olitz but not in it’s current incarnation. I think Olivia and Fitz will always be in love  but for the time being she should give him a heartfelt apology, check in on him from time to time and in time they could be together. Their professional lives have suffered too much just for the sake of being in the same room together. This would would be growth for both of them.

Of course I disagree with the idea that there was a “natural ending” to Olitz in 2.13 or 2.14.  That’s really the only part I disagree with, and it’s because I know that love is never easy, and that heroic stories require the opportunity for redemption.  Olitz’s story was not complete until Olivia and Fitz communicated and each sought, and attained, redemption.  I think the story that naturally ended in 2.13/2.14 was the first stage of their romance, where they wore love goggles.  Then you enter the second stage, where there has been betrayal and anger, the goggles are well and truly removed (Fitz’s of course.  Olivia’s were removed concerning Fitz in S1).  A mature relationship, and a mature hero(ine) require that Olivia get the opportunity to redeem herself.  So in my view, looking at Olivia’s need to grow as a lover and a heroine, 2.13/2.14 marked the end of one stage, but Olitz needed to continue beyond that for good storytelling reasons.  I just think the writers and showrunner did not see it that way and flubbed the story.

30 9 / 2014

30 9 / 2014

ctron164:

veilsofgold:

After tonight I AM ALL FOR Nick to come in and start swooning over Queen Abbie. Let Ichabod stew in his “My wife is a mole woe is me omg who is that looking at Abbie?!” juices for a while. Give me the jealous Ichy cause goodness knows he deserves a reminder of how wonderful Abbie is.

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Lol this Grinch gif never gets old !

30 9 / 2014

Anonymous said: Do you ever think you'll stop drawing fanart? No offense it just seems like the kind of thing you're supposed to grow out of. I'm just curious what your plans/goals are since it isn't exactly an art form that people take seriously.

thescienceofjohnlock:

linzeestyle:

euclase:

Ah, fanart. Also known as the art that girls make.

Sad, immature girls no one takes seriously. Girls who are taught that it’s shameful to be excited or passionate about anything, that it’s pathetic to gush about what attracts them, that it’s wrong to be a geek, that they should feel embarrassed about having a crush, that they’re not allowed to gaze or stare or wish or desire. Girls who need to grow out of it.

That’s the art you mean, right?

Because in my experience, when grown men make it, nobody calls it fanart. They just call it art. And everyone takes it very seriously.

It’s interesting though — the culture of shame surrounding adult women and fandom. Even within fandom it’s heavily internalized: unsurprisingly, mind, given that fandom is largely comprised by young girls and, unfortunately, our culture runs on ensuring young girls internalize *all* messages no matter how toxic. But here’s another way of thinking about it.

Sports is a fandom. It requires zealous attention to “seasons,” knowledge of details considered obscure to those not involved in that fandom, unbelievable amounts of merchandise, and even “fanfic” in the form of fantasy teams. But this is a masculine-coded fandom. And as such, it’s encouraged - built into our economy! Have you *seen* Dish network’s “ultimate fan” advertisements, which literally base selling of a product around the normalization of all consuming (male) obsession? Or the very existence of sports bars, built around the link between fans and community enjoyment and analysis. Sport fandom is so ingrained in our culture that major events are treated like holidays (my gym closes for the Super Bowl) — and can you imagine being laughed at for admitting you didn’t know the difference between Supernatural and The X Files the way you might if you admit you don’t know the rules of football vs baseball, or basketball?

"Fandom" is not childish but we live in a culture that commodified women’s time in such away that their hobbies have to be "frivolous," because "mature" women’s interests are supposed to be caretaking, via marriage, children, and the lives of those within an imagined (generally nuclear) family unit: things that allow others to continue their own special interests, while leaving women without a space of their own.

So think about what you’re actually saying when you call someone “too old” for fandom. Because you’re suggesting they are “too old” for a consuming hobby, and I challenge you to answer — what do you think they should be doing instead?

I would like every anon and non-anon who have sent me messages along the the lines of 'you're too old for tumblr, it's creepy' and 'when will you grow out of fandom?' to read this and remember it when they are in their 40s.

30 9 / 2014

creepingmuse:

Ichabod Crane has a temper problem, an unflagging faith in himself, and a blindspot where his wife is concerned.

Abbie Mills is suffering from PTSD and is practical (perhaps even ruthless) to a fault.

Jenny Mills is a mental patient with abandonment issues and a fondness for…

(via nand7)

30 9 / 2014

katrinapavela:

nevillellongbottom:

So apparently feminism is a hate movement. I’m sorry I don’t remember any feminists going on any shooting sprees because they were rejected by men or sending death and rape threats to bloggers. 

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(via ctron164)

30 9 / 2014

weneeddiversebooks:

Wallace Yovetich makes very good points. Supporting diversity is necessary to show the wider publishing world that we want to see these books and yes the lack of diversity IS an ongoing issue. 

(via xionin)